I leave town for a few days and I miss all of this heated debate!

Took me a few minutes to log through all of these messages, and it looks as if everyone has moved on which is great.

But I had to post at least one more comment....

If it wasn't already known, I just wanted to say that without question Roman and Haggerty are dead right about Vader --- there are no two ways about. I simply cannot argue the point any better than Haggs and Roman have. The logic is undebatable as far as I'm concerned.

I was just amazed at how Fish and Tim continued to go back to the issue of the power level of the cards and not the way they worked against each other. Haggs and Roman explicitly laid out exactly why the cards were counterproductive in nature --- and THAT demonstrated the weakness in the design, not the power levels.

OK, enough of beating a dead horse....I'll move on to that other thread....

Lee