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(leefreeman @ November 13, 2007 02:24 am)
It seems to me that you have conceded it as a weak deck, especially in 1v1 games, but you don't consider it a flawed design -- would that be a fair statement?
Not just fair, but completely accurate.
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(leefreeman @ November 13, 2007 02:24 am)
[T]he issue remains that his cards are very counterproductive in nature. Now, is that a design flaw? Well, that depends on how you define flaw from the constructs of game design.
I would just say that his talent cards weren't well designed --- you can certainly see the intent there, and it was a great concept, but I just don't think it was as fleshed out as well as it could have been.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. I think the design was excellent -- instead of having six really powerful cards (3x Wrath, 3x Choke), you end up with two to three really powerful cards, one to three useful cards, and zero to two ineffective cards. That's three different levels of usefulness in only two different types of cards! Even more incredible is that they function even better in 2v2 without overpowering him in 1v1.
Hags... I'm not sure where the common ground we can meet on is. I believe Vader's deck was intentionally designed as a weak 1v1 deck, offsetting his strength in 2v2. I believe Choke works
really well
with Wrath in making this happen. I believe the kind of support you are suggesting would make his deck too strong in 1v1 and WAY too strong in 2v2. I believe all his cards support the PtV as described previously. I don't believe a design that weakens a deck is a flawed design. This is what I find as your a priori argument: "Cards weaken one another => PtV not supported well => poor design." If we don't assume the PtV is supposed to be well-supported, the last conclusion doesn't hold. Please correct me if this is not your argument.
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